Lunduke
News • Science & Tech
Mozilla Faces Financial Uncertainty After Google Loses Lawsuit
The Google Search Engine Cash Cow may be about to dry up for Firefox.
August 12, 2024
post photo preview

It's no secret that Mozilla has been -- for several years -- almost entirely reliant on funding from Google in order to bankroll the continued development of Firefox.  In fact, over 80% of Mozilla's revenue comes directly from a deal where Google is made the default search engine within Firefox.

Now, a legal ruling against Google -- declaring the company to be an illegal monopoly in the Search Engine market -- could cause all of that funding to dry up.

Possibly putting Mozilla out of business in the process.

The Google Antitrust Lawsuit

On October 20th, 2020, The U.S.A.'s Department of Justice (along with 11 States) filed suit against Google -- specifically alleging that Google held a monopoly on the Search Engine market, and had engaged in anticompetitive practices.

On August 5th, 2024, US District Judge Amit Mehta ruled against Google.

"After having carefully considered and weighed the witness testimony and evidence, the court reaches the following conclusion: Google is a monopolist, and it has acted as one to maintain its monopoly. It has violated Section 2 of the Sherman Act.

 

Specifically, the court holds that (1) there are relevant product markets for general search services and general search text ads; (2) Google has monopoly power in those markets; (3) Google’s distribution agreements are exclusive and have anticompetitive effects; and (4) Google has not offered valid procompetitive justifications for those agreements. Importantly, the court also finds that Google has exercised its monopoly power by charging supracompetitive prices for general search text ads. That conduct has allowed Google to earn monopoly profits."

What, exactly, does all of this mean?

It means -- in part -- that Google may be forced to significantly change how it operates its search business -- including paying companies like Mozilla and Apple for default or prominent Search Engine placement.

How this impacts Mozilla & Firefox

Some of the details documented in the lawsuit -- including in the deposition with Mozilla's ex-CEO, Mitchell Baker -- are fascinating.

From the August 5th ruling:

"Google also has a revenue sharing agreement with the browser developer Mozilla, whereby it pays Mozilla % revenue share in exchange for the default search placement on the Firefox browser.

 

The search access points on Firefox include “the search box” in the browser, “the navigation or location bar,” any “search box displayed on a Firefox Startpage,” among others.

 

If Mozilla implements the “this time, search with” feature on its mobile application, the revenue share paid under the Google-Mozilla agreement drops from %[REDACTED] to %[REDACTED]."

In short: Google pays a set revenue-sharing percentage to Mozilla to be the default search engine within Firefox.  What is that percentage?  That specific detail is redacted in all of the documentation.

But we do know that the easier Firefox makes it to use a non-Google search engine (such as with a "this time, search with [a non-Google Search Engine]..." feature)... the less money Google pays Mozilla.

And, from ex-CEO Baker's deposition the following details were provided:

"Google’s 2021 revenue share payment to Mozilla was over $400 million, or about 80% of Mozilla’s operating budget.  Mozilla has repeatedly made clear that without these payments, it would not be able to function as it does today."

Which simply confirms what we all have been able to assume for a number of years: Mozilla is dependent on Google to fund current operations.

Should Google be prohibited from continuing this existing deal, it could require a dramatic change to Mozilla: either by forcing Mozilla to find other funding sources... or engage in massive layoffs.

What Happens Now?

But will Google be prohibited from continuing such a "Default Search Engine" deal with Mozilla and others (like Apple)?

That remains to be seen.  At this point Google is likely to appeal the ruling -- which will likely delay any remedy phase of this case.  And, should Google's appeal ultimately fail, the remedy / penalty phase of this case could go in a large number of different directions.

Just the same, a prohibiting of "Default Search Engine" deals (at least as they currently exist), seems like an obvious remedy that is likely to be implemented.  And, should that happen, Mozilla's finances will change in a major way (having 80%+ of your revenue going away will have a massive impact on any business).

None of this, however, will be a surprise to Mozilla... the corporation clearly has seen this coming.

The Firefox Mega-corporation has been making significant changes to their business over the last few years -- downplaying their flagship product (Firefox) while focusing on A.I. investments, purchasing an advertising company, and massive internal power struggles which seem focused on rebuilding Mozilla as an advertising company.

Just the same, considering the lack of realized revenue from their A.I. or Advertising initiatives, it's hard to see how Mozilla will weather this storm without siginificant layoffs.

But the timing -- and details -- of what happens next remains to be seen.

While I have your attention, there were also a few interesting (and amusing) side-notes and tidbits within this legal ruling.

The Government Sees Mozilla as "Marginal"

Within the August 5th ruling there were a number of statements, regarding the Firefox marketshare, which I couldn't help but find somewhat amusing.  

"Firefox’s contribution to the overall search market is so small that the additional output it produces, at most, marginal procompetitive benefits."

... and...

"its share of the browser market is so low that it does not move the competitive needle"

Firefoxes "share of the browser market is so low" that it doesn't "move the needle."

Ouch.

Firefox Experiments on Users

The ruling included several references -- often from the Mozilla ex-CEO's deposition -- to experiments run on Firefox users.  Specifically switching the default search engine for small subsets of users.

"Mozilla has run experiments to assess a potential switch of the default [Search Engine] from Google to a rival. It tends to run these experiments when its agreements come up for renewal."

... and...

"From 2021 to 2022, Mozilla once again switched the default [Search Engine] to Bing for 0.5% of desktop Firefox users."

This sort of experiment was, apparently, repeated regularly.

Have you ever noticed your Firefox default search engine change?  Out of nowhere... your search engine was now... Bing?  You may have been part of one of Mozilla's many experiments on their users.

Considering the rocky terrain that Mozilla is facing -- in part as a consequence of this Google ruling -- my guess is we'll see Mozilla Firefox conducting many additional "experiments" in the months ahead.

community logo
Join the Lunduke Community
To read more articles like this, sign up and join my community today
12
What else you may like…
Videos
Podcasts
Posts
Articles
Discord Expanding Age Verification World-Wide

Starting in March, Discord will treat all accounts as "Teen by Default", requiring age verification for several features. This follows a breach of 70,000 Discord accounts (including IDs) last October.

The Lunduke Journal Lifetime Subscription:
https://lunduke.substack.com/p/the-lunduke-journal-lifetime-subscription

More from The Lunduke Journal:
https://lunduke.com/

00:18:31
February 09, 2026
XLibre Dev Creates de-Rusted Git Fork

As Git prepares to make Rust a hard requirement for Git 3.0, this fork removes all Rust code and describes itself as "Git with WD-40 applied".

The Lunduke Journal Lifetime Subscription:
https://lunduke.substack.com/p/the-lunduke-journal-lifetime-subscription

More from The Lunduke Journal:
https://lunduke.com/

00:17:36
February 07, 2026
With Git Moving to Rust, How Long Until a Git Fork?

Git 3.0 is scheduled to ship "second half of 2026", with a mandatory requirement of Rust. Which means Git will no longer build on many platforms. Setting the stage for a successful fork.

The Lunduke Journal Lifetime Subscription:
https://lunduke.substack.com/p/the-lunduke-journal-lifetime-subscription

More from The Lunduke Journal:
https://lunduke.com/

00:15:13
November 22, 2023
The futility of Ad-Blockers

Ads are filling the entirety of the Web -- websites, podcasts, YouTube videos, etc. -- at an increasing rate. Prices for those ad placements are plummeting. Consumers are desperate to use ad-blockers to make the web palatable. Google (and others) are desperate to break and block ad-blockers. All of which results in... more ads and lower pay for creators.

It's a fascinatingly annoying cycle. And there's only one viable way out of it.

Looking for the Podcast RSS feed or other links? Check here:
https://lunduke.locals.com/post/4619051/lunduke-journal-link-central-tm

Give the gift of The Lunduke Journal:
https://lunduke.locals.com/post/4898317/give-the-gift-of-the-lunduke-journal

The futility of Ad-Blockers
November 21, 2023
openSUSE says "No Lunduke allowed!"

Those in power with openSUSE make it clear they will not allow me anywhere near anything related to the openSUSE project. Ever. For any reason.

Well, that settles that, then! Guess I won't be contributing to openSUSE! 🤣

Looking for the Podcast RSS feed or other links?
https://lunduke.locals.com/post/4619051/lunduke-journal-link-central-tm

Give the gift of The Lunduke Journal:
https://lunduke.locals.com/post/4898317/give-the-gift-of-the-lunduke-journal

openSUSE says "No Lunduke allowed!"
September 13, 2023
"Andreas Kling creator of Serenity OS & Ladybird Web Browser" - Lunduke’s Big Tech Show - September 13th, 2023 - Ep 044

This episode is free for all to enjoy and share.

Be sure to subscribe here at Lunduke.Locals.com to get all shows & articles (including interviews with other amazing nerds).

"Andreas Kling creator of Serenity OS & Ladybird Web Browser" - Lunduke’s Big Tech Show - September 13th, 2023 - Ep 044

Ever since last week's episode of @Greg_Gauthier 's "Old Computer Nerd Show", I've been working on a game. It's written in BASIC, targeting the VIC-20, and it's hands-down the biggest BASIC program I've ever written (obviously not counting VBA, which is not at all the same language). I've been "cheating", writing the code in Mousepad first (Mousepad is a text editor on XFCE). But IMO that's no worse a cheat than people back in the day doing it on paper first. And it's helped A LOT. Not only do I need to reacquaint myself with the hilariously cryptic mini-language of CBM DOS, I would have to start over on numerous occasions cuz I'd thought I had saved when I didn't (it's happened a lot on my TheVIC20).

And I've got to say, I'm kinda shocked at how much code can fit in a BASIC program! Up till tonight, my program ran on an un-expanded VIC-20, and had 131 lines (in Mousepad), some of them with multiple instructions, and the other ones loaded with text! Of course I have only one ...

Old Computer Nerd: Goof-Off Show

I'm exhausted today. So, let's just have some fun:

placeholder
February 09, 2026
post photo preview
February 08, 2026
79 Million Views in 6 Months for The Lunduke Journal

Welcome to February, all of you amazing nerds!

January was a fun month for The Lunduke Journal (thanks to all of you). For those interested in a little Inside Baseball, I’ve pulled together some stats and charts below.

The short version: Great month. Crazy news stories. Solid growth. Can’t complain!

Revamped Lifetime Wall

Oh! And the “Lifetime Subscriber Wall” is getting a “retro” facelift.

This is what the four Lifetime Walls currently look like:

 

Once that 4th Wall is filled (a little over 75% of the way there as of this morning), I’ll be introducing the new designs (for all the walls) along with the starting of Wall Number 5.

Each Wall now has its own, distinct look and theme. Very Retro Computer-y. You’re going to dig it.

To make that “Wall Number 5” get here as fast as possible, I’ve gone ahead an reinstated the “$89 Lifetime Subscriber” deal. But only until Wall Number 4 is full.

Want to be on the Wall? If you don’t have a Lifetime Subscription, grab one. If you already have one, email me (bryan at lunduke.com) to let me know how you want your name to be displayed.

Once Wall 4 is full, the Super-Mega-Ultra Discounted Lifetime Subscription goes back to regular price. And, the next day, the new Lifetime Wall design appears at the end of new shows.

At the current rate, I expect that to happen in the next couple days.

Stats for January, 2026

Now let’s look at the stats for January.

Can’t lie. I’m pleased.

  • 30 new shows (just shy of one new show every day)

  • 15.2 Million views (including podcast downloads)

  • 2,326 new subscribers

The most popular story of January, 2026:

Taking a high level view: This means that, in the last 6 months (Aug ‘25 - Jan ‘26), The Lunduke Journal has had:

  • 79.4 Million views

  • 21,694 new subscribers

Bonkers, right?

Here’s a chart of “views” for last 6 months:

Image
 

The long-term trend continues to be solidly upward, with February (in the first 7 days, so far) currently tracking slightly ahead of January.

For those interested in the specific platforms: The Lunduke Journal is seeing the most growth on X and the Audio Podcast.

Here’s a combined subscriber chart for January (up 2,326 subscribers from the month prior):

Image
 

Wild. It is truly amazing to me how widely these stories are spreading nowadays.

Over 15 million. In one month.

These are numbers that most of the big, “Main Stream” Tech Journalists could only dream of.

The reach of The Lunduke Journal, thanks to all of you, is now wildly exceeding any other publication I have ever worked with.

Even though most “Main Stream” Tech Journalists are refusing to cover some of the biggest stories in Tech… those stories are still getting out there.

They are being seen. Far and wide.

Thanks to all of you.

-Lunduke

Read full Article
January 31, 2026
$89 Lifetime Offer Ends at Midnight!

I’ll make this quick: The $89 Lifetime Subscription offer for The Lunduke Journal ends at midnight tonight (Saturday, January 31st).

Once the calendar reads “February” — poof — the deal is gone.

If you wanted to save 70% on a Lifetime Subscription, these are your final hours.

A huge thank you to everyone who has signed up during this crazy deal. We are this close to filling up the 4th Lifetime Subscriber Wall (there’s a possibility it might fill up in the next few hours).

Far beyond anything I was expecting. All of you are absolutely amazing. The Lunduke Journal would not be possible without you.

If you were on contemplating grabbing that Lifetime Sub, I’d jump on it right now. The price goes back up to normal ($300) in about 12 hours or so.

Get it while it’s cheap!

-Lunduke

Read full Article
January 30, 2026
The End of the $89 Lifetime Sub is Nigh!

Quick reminder: The massive deal The Lunduke Journal has been running — 70%+ off Lifetime Subscriptions, 50% off all other subscriptions — ends after tomorrow (Saturday, January 31st).

Considering that, here are the steps I recommend:

  1. Grab the $89 Lifetime Subscription before it ends tomorrow night.

  2. High five yourself for saving money and supporting Indie Tech Journalism.

  3. Maybe… grab a donut?

That is all.

-Lunduke

Read full Article
See More
Available on mobile and TV devices
google store google store app store app store
google store google store app tv store app tv store amazon store amazon store roku store roku store
Powered by Locals