Lunduke
News • Science & Tech
Python Bans Prominent Dev for Enjoying the Wrong Old SNL Sketch
Even worse: He was too active in a conversation! That's a Code of Conduct Violation!
August 12, 2024
post photo preview

The Python Software Foundation has just suspended one of their most prominent developers... for, I kid you not, finding a classic SNL sketch "genuinely funny".

Not a joke.  This is a real thing that is happening.

The Python Developer: Tim Peters

To put all of this in context, it's important to understand the person who the Python Software Foundation just suspended.

Tim Peters won the "Python Distinguished Service Award" in 2017.  I'll let the Python Software Foundation tell you how much they absolutely love Tim in their own words:

 

"Tim's technical contributions to Python are immense as he implemented several modules into the standard library. Some examples include timsort, doctest, and the timeit module. Furthermore, Tim contributed to the Python Cookbook by writing the chapter on algorithms.

 

Tim also has contributed to the Python community. He wrote the Zen of Python via PEP20 in 2015. He reached approximately one million people via his answers on Stack Over Flow. Moreover, Tim was an active PSF Board Director from 2001 to 2014 meaning that he volunteered on the board for 13 years! Additionally, Tim has contributed to many Python mailing lists and has been known to always contribute in a friendly, funny, and helpful way."

 

It's hard to imagine a more glowing recommendation for how important a person could be to the world of Python.  And this only scratches the surface of Tim Peters' time with Python.

Bear all of that in mind as we look at why the Python Software Foundation just suspended him.

Why Python Suspended Tim

On August 7th, the "Python Software Foundation's Code of Conduct Working Group" recommended a suspension of Tim Peters (which was implemented).

Some of the reasons for the suspension are... pretty wild.  I'll list the craziest ones below.

 

"Defending “reverse racism” and “reverse sexism”, concepts not backed by empirical evidence, which could be seen as deliberate intimidation or creating an exclusionary environment."

 

This is a common (crazy) rule in the Open Source world.  Defending "Reverse Racism" is expressly forbidden in many tech organizations (such as GNOME for example).

What is "Reverse Racism", you ask?  It's the idea that "White People" can experience discrimination.  If you even suggest that anyone has ever discriminated against a "White Person"... you are defending "Reverse Racism".  Which will get you banned from GNOME, Python, and so many other organizations.

Crazy.  But true.

What's even more crazy?  I could find no example of Tim Peters actually "Defending Reverse Racism" anyway.  This appears to be made up entirely, as far as I can tell.

 

"Using potentially offensive language or slurs, in one case even calling an SNL skit from the 1970s using the same slur “genuinely funny”, which shows a lack of empathy towards other community members."

 

This, I'm not joking, is an actual, cited reason for the suspension of Tim Peters.  That he found an SNL sketch funny.

What is that SNL sketch?  The famous "Point, Counter-Point" 1979 sketch staring Dan Aykroyd and Jane Curtin.  The one where Dan Aykroyd says the phrase, "Jane, you ignorant slut.".

Why is that SNL sketch even being mentioned?

Because there was a Python package named "slut"... which had the name censored.  And Tim Peters referenced that package by trying to not say the word itself, but referenced the SNL sketch.

Seriously.  That's a bannable offense within Python.

Side note: The Lunduke Journal officially finds that 1979 SNL sketch to be funny.

 

"Overloading the discussion of the bylaws change (47 out of 177 posts in topic at the time the moderators closed the topic), which created an atmosphere of fear, uncertainty, and doubt, which encouraged increasingly emotional responses from other community members. The later result of the vote showed 81% support for the most controversial of the bylaws changes, which demonstrates the controversy was blown out of proportion."

 

In short: There was a proposed change to the Python bylaws.  Tim Peters -- one of the most prominent Python contributors in existence (according to the Python Software Foundation itself) -- had lots of thoughts about it.

But Tim's opinions were not supported by the board of the Python Software Foundation.  And he talked about his opinions more than the "powers that be" wanted him to.

So he was suspended from the project.

Tim Peters was silenced for wrongthink.

The Python Bylaws Change

Let's talk about those proposed changes to the Python bylaws (which were passed and implemented).

There was one change, in particular, which caused most of the discussion:

 

"Allow for removal of Fellows by a Board vote in response to Code of Conduct violations, removing the need for a vote of the membership"

 

Up until this point, a "Fellow" of the Python Software Foundation could only be removed by a vote of the Python Foundation membership.  A big, public vote of the members.

This bylaw change removed that public vote... Instead allowing any "Python Fellow" to have their "Fellowship" stripped by an "affirmative vote of the majority of the Board of Directors".

Why would this change be needed, you ask?

Well.  It takes power away from the public membership of the Python Software Foundation... and moves that power to a small group, who can exercise that power (predominantly) in secret.

Tim Peters objected to this change with 47 total comments or replies in a discussion on the topic.  Which, apparently, is too large a number.  Tim was, according to Python, too active in a discussion.

And we can't have people being active in discusions, now can we?  Especially when those people are not being 100% supportive of those in power.

How many total comments are allowed in a discussion?  46?  35?  20?  There does not appear to be a hard limit documented anywhere in the Python "Code of Conduct".  

This Feels Familiar

Prominant developers and contributors.  Banned or suspended from projects.  By people using a "Code of Conduct" as a weapon.

Boy.  This sure feels familiar, doesn't it?

Likewise we sure do seem to be having a rash of "Open Source Boards" making moves to centralize power in secret ways.

Many, Many Questions

The Lunduke Journal reached out to everyone involved -- including both Tim Peters and members of the Python Software Foundation -- for comment (and with a number of questions).

No representative of Python responded.  Tim Peters, however, did respond.  His responses to my questions are included below.  In full.  And without comment from me.

 


 

Full emailed response from Tim Peters:

 

> Do you feel that the 3 months suspension was justified and reasonable?

 

No comment at this time. Chris McDonough wrote a detailed blog post that may or may not ;-) closely reflect my view of it all:

    https://chrismcdonough.substack.com/p/the-shameful-defenestration-of-tim

 

> Considering the recent rule change where the Python Board can
> remove members without a public vote, do you anticipate such action being
> taken against you

 

Not against me, no.

 

> or others?

 

Absolutely yes. The discussion of the rule change made that very clear: there are people they want to strip of Fellow status, but it seems these are due to very "local" incidents not known to the larger Python community, and more substantial than run-of-the-mill "somebody posted an offensive word" complaints. While no specifics were revealed, I believed them on these points.

community logo
Join the Lunduke Community
To read more articles like this, sign up and join my community today
23
What else you may like…
Videos
Podcasts
Posts
Articles
XLibre Turns One Year Old

"XLibre is the most actively developed community-maintained X11 display server."

Grab a discounted Lifetime Sub & get on the Wall:
https://lunduke.substack.com/p/behold-the-win-2k-and-mac-system

More from The Lunduke Journal:
https://lunduke.com/

00:13:48
Win2K & Mac System 1 Walls!

Supporters of The Lunduke Journal have now filled up 8 retro computer themed walls!

Grab a discounted Lifetime Sub & get on the Wall:
https://lunduke.substack.com/p/behold-the-win-2k-and-mac-system

More from The Lunduke Journal:
https://lunduke.com/

00:10:02
Linux App Store Bans Software Touched by AI in Any Way

Flathub Team: "Applications containing Al-generated or Al-assisted code, documentation, or other content are not allowed."

Massively Discounted Lifetime Subs Through June:
https://lunduke.substack.com/p/50-off-yearly-and-massively-discounted

More from The Lunduke Journal:
https://lunduke.com/

00:14:04
November 22, 2023
The futility of Ad-Blockers

Ads are filling the entirety of the Web -- websites, podcasts, YouTube videos, etc. -- at an increasing rate. Prices for those ad placements are plummeting. Consumers are desperate to use ad-blockers to make the web palatable. Google (and others) are desperate to break and block ad-blockers. All of which results in... more ads and lower pay for creators.

It's a fascinatingly annoying cycle. And there's only one viable way out of it.

Looking for the Podcast RSS feed or other links? Check here:
https://lunduke.locals.com/post/4619051/lunduke-journal-link-central-tm

Give the gift of The Lunduke Journal:
https://lunduke.locals.com/post/4898317/give-the-gift-of-the-lunduke-journal

The futility of Ad-Blockers
November 21, 2023
openSUSE says "No Lunduke allowed!"

Those in power with openSUSE make it clear they will not allow me anywhere near anything related to the openSUSE project. Ever. For any reason.

Well, that settles that, then! Guess I won't be contributing to openSUSE! 🤣

Looking for the Podcast RSS feed or other links?
https://lunduke.locals.com/post/4619051/lunduke-journal-link-central-tm

Give the gift of The Lunduke Journal:
https://lunduke.locals.com/post/4898317/give-the-gift-of-the-lunduke-journal

openSUSE says "No Lunduke allowed!"
September 13, 2023
"Andreas Kling creator of Serenity OS & Ladybird Web Browser" - Lunduke’s Big Tech Show - September 13th, 2023 - Ep 044

This episode is free for all to enjoy and share.

Be sure to subscribe here at Lunduke.Locals.com to get all shows & articles (including interviews with other amazing nerds).

"Andreas Kling creator of Serenity OS & Ladybird Web Browser" - Lunduke’s Big Tech Show - September 13th, 2023 - Ep 044

It’s that time. Time for another stream. I’ve delay the start time because I’ll be getting home later from Church. I’ll post the invite link shortly before the stream starts at 7pm.

placeholder
June 05, 2026

I would say I should have taken up capentry. But I know I was never good at it.

Bots Surpass Humans in Global Web Traffic for the First Time in Internet History
https://cybersecuritynews.com/bots-surpass-humans-in-web-traffic/

"...
The United States paints an even starker picture, with bot traffic commanding a staggering 71.5% share of domestic web requests, underscoring how deeply AI-driven automation has penetrated the world’s most connected markets.
..."

Heads up: Locals is having some trouble processing videos this morning.

The latest show is up on all other platforms, and it will appear here on Locals as soon as it works again. (Should be quick, the Locals team is usually pretty on top of this stuff.)

post photo preview
Behold! The "Win 2K" & "Mac System 1" Lifetime Sub Walls!

Woah! The 8th Lifetime Subscriber Wall of The Lunduke Journal (aka “The Windows 1.0 Wall”) is already full! After only one week! That’s nuts!

So I’m opening up two new, retro computer walls!

  • Wall 9 - “The Macintosh System 1 Wall”

  • Wall 10 - “The Windows 2000 Wall”

 

Show your support for The Lunduke Journal, and be immortalized in a retro computer screenshot. Win-win!

If the past is any indicator, these will fill up crazy fast. First come, first served.

Plus: For the entire month of June, Lifetime Subscriptions are discounted down to $125 (regularly $300).

  1. Scroll down and grab a new Lifetime Subscription (at that bonkers discount).

  2. Choose which of the two new Walls you’d like to be on (Mac System 1 or Windows 2000). Totally optional.

How to Grab a Discounted Lifetime Subscription:

There are 3 different ways to pick up a Lunduke Journal Lifetime sub. All of them work great and include the same perks. Choose whichever works best for you!

Get a Lifetime Subscription via Locals:

  1. Go to Lunduke.Locals.com/support.

  2. Select “Give Once“.

  3. Enter “125“ into the amount field.

  4. After checking out, Lunduke will toss you an email once your account is set to full lifetime status. (This usually happens within a few hours.)

Get a Lifetime Subscription via Substack:

  1. Go to Lunduke.Substack.com/subscribe.

  2. Select the “Lifetime Subscription” option.

  3. After checking out, Lunduke will toss you an email once your account is set to full lifetime status. (This usually happens within a few hours.)

If you would also like full, Lifetime access to Lunduke.Locals.com (which is included):

  1. Make a free account on Lunduke.Locals.com.

  2. Email “bryan at lunduke.com” with the email address you use on both Substack and Locals (can be different email addresses).

  3. Lunduke will toss you an email once your account is set to full lifetime status on Locals.

Get a Lifetime Subscription with Bitcoin:

Bonus: Save an extra $10 with the Bitcoin option, as Bitcoin processing has fewer fees associated with it.

bc1qyjakve8fywm8pz2v99v57yhjj0vzr2vjze6fcq

  • Email “bryan at lunduke.com” with the following information: What time you made the transaction, how much was sent (in Bitcoin), and the email address you use (or plan to use) on Locals.com or Substack.com.

-Lunduke

Read full Article
Windows 1.0 Wall almost full! Last call!

Holy Guacamole, Batman!

The 8th Lifetime Subscriber Wall (“The Windows 1.0 Wall”) of The Lunduke Journal launched exactly one week ago… and it’s already almost full! Bonkers!

 

At the current rate, the “Windows 1.0 Wall” will be full sometime tomorrow (Saturday).

Want your name immortalized in that glorious 1985 styled goodness, proclaiming to the world your support of The Lunduke Journal?

Don’t have a Lifetime Subscription?

  1. Grab one for $125 (normally $300).

  2. You’ll get a confirmation email (within just a few hours). Reply to that email with how you would like your name displayed on a Lifetime Wall.

  3. Then enjoy the other perks of being Lunduke Journal subscriber. Forum access, MP4 downloads, and PDF eBooks.

Already have a Lifetime Subscription?

  1. Just toss an email to bryan [at] lunduke.com with how you would like your name displayed on a Lifetime Wall.

Easy peasy.

First come, first served. Once the “Windows 1.0 Wall” is full, the final version will be added to Lunduke.com and the 9th Lifetime Wall will debut!

-Lunduke

Read full Article
The "Windows 1.0" Lunduke Lifetime Wall is here!

Two awesome tidbits:

  1. The 7th Lifetime Subscriber Wall (aka “The Solaris Wall”) is full! No room for any more names! You can see the final version on the bottom of Lunduke.com (and at the end of new shows).

  2. The 8th Lifetime Wall will make its debut on Monday! The retro computing platform chosen for Wall number 8 will be… Windows 1.0!

If you would like to see your name immortalized in a screenshot of the very first version of Windows, from 1985, displayed on both Lunduke.com & at the end of all Lunduke Journal shows (you know you do):

Support the Lunduke Journal… and, at the same time, have your name immortalized in a screenshot of the operating system with (arguably) the worst color scheme in human history.

It’s a win-win.

 

-Lunduke

Read full Article
See More
Available on mobile and TV devices
google store google store app store app store
google store google store app tv store app tv store amazon store amazon store roku store roku store
Powered by Locals